tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7137995317196460579.post3867485469088535216..comments2023-04-17T06:50:25.016-07:00Comments on My So-called Virtual Life: Identity and Transparency: The politics of informationMiso Susanowahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14628657533849686313noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7137995317196460579.post-71961083391226780812011-07-12T15:23:15.070-07:002011-07-12T15:23:15.070-07:00TY Sierra, you are always welcome to report, link ...TY Sierra, you are always welcome to report, link or tweet my posts!Miso Susanowahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14628657533849686313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7137995317196460579.post-13919778532742024042011-07-08T15:29:57.026-07:002011-07-08T15:29:57.026-07:00One of the best written arguments on this topic th...One of the best written arguments on this topic that I've read to date. And the comments as well! Thank you Miso for summing this up so nicely.<br /><br />And I agree this needs a much wider audience than just this blog. I do hope you share it as many places as you possibly can and allow others to share it as well.<br /><br />Google (and FB and others) really need to read this and think about it hard. They need to listen to their user base and stop trying to force us to reveal every single aspect of our lives just to prove we exist.Sierra Sugarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09378116380688468980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7137995317196460579.post-62656360004503818762011-07-07T21:25:54.044-07:002011-07-07T21:25:54.044-07:00@skylar:
For me, it had genesis in the Disney-Mic...@skylar:<br /><br />For me, it had genesis in the Disney-Microsoft-Apple triumvirate in the late 90s-2000; the beginning of selling <i>methods</i> instead of products. <br /><br />You know I am not against marketing; a company needs to profit to stay in business. But when companies started to try to corner the market on conceptions and ideas, instead of turning out product, they wrote their own obituaries. It's another bubble-trick and the backlash is starting now. Not very long for a "business model" to show the strain; the other, ancient methods of business lasted for hundreds of years. Tossing all that wisdom out the window was sheer arrogance and caprice.Miso Susanowahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14628657533849686313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7137995317196460579.post-24198349377851760642011-07-07T06:20:58.543-07:002011-07-07T06:20:58.543-07:00Awesome and articulate as always Miso ~ xx.
I wou...Awesome and articulate as always Miso ~ xx.<br /><br />I would like to pinpoint the exact moment that the marketing profession (and it is a trade/profession) decided to eliminate the guess work and use traffic and stats and SEO bullshit games to manipulate feed, following and frenzy buying. <br /><br />It's the high pressure that irritates most. The expectation that we "must" be okay with having our habits transformed into trending which can then be bought and sold to stimulate and influence our purchases. <br /><br />How much of this is due to failing global economies? Companies desperate to make money in a contraction period of consumer spending? <br /><br />It's desperate and not working as well as it used to. Which makes them try harder and push the invasive envelope further and further disillusioning the consumer even more. We now see consumers VERY sensitive about sharing information and statistics. and hyper vigilant on sites/activities that encourage over sharing where SEM/SEO data can be collected.<br /><br />It's commercial entrapment. And Mr. and Ms. Consumer are not only catching on... they are abhorring it. Which is actually good news for traditional thoughtful researched marketing... would should return to quality classical principles of the four P's shortly, rather than relying solely on e-data mining cheats…Skylar Smythe https://www.blogger.com/profile/06218136443422844497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7137995317196460579.post-54894750815798032642011-07-07T06:05:58.438-07:002011-07-07T06:05:58.438-07:00Yes. Very Yes.Yes. Very Yes.sororNishihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17385408562954387986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7137995317196460579.post-62094108339856603762011-07-06T23:05:24.310-07:002011-07-06T23:05:24.310-07:00I aggree with Jim, this deserves a much wider audi...I aggree with Jim, this deserves a much wider audience, brilliant dont cover it.<br />Im thankful i got to read this. <br />xoxoxoxoxo!Mera Kranfelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17671947433797959660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7137995317196460579.post-79352489453616105842011-07-06T21:22:46.017-07:002011-07-06T21:22:46.017-07:00@Aeonix: I agree with you exactly. The choice of &...@Aeonix: I agree with you exactly. The choice of "data sharing" has always been there in "the real world." Appending "but it's the internets!!!" to these questions is a red herring; it is only used to justify laws we would not condone in physical life (at least not yet).<br /><br /><br />@qpop: I do admit to writing from the bias of what is happening in this country (US) right now, especially because it seems the Dept Of Justice, the Feds and the rest are trying to extend US "law" to other countries, claiming they "own" the internet.<br /><br />As far as "... taught in school as part of citizenship"... I learned these things in 5th grade Civics class. There's a point you raise also: the concerted effort to promulgate dis- and mis-information so as to inundate signal with noise, as in the burying of reports from reputable medical researchers as to the horrific amount of radiation exposure passengers (and TSA employees) are getting from the backscatter machines at airports...<br /><br />Welcome to the world of PsyOps- Psychological Operations. Disinformation is an old and reliable tool of the intelligence agencies.Miso Susanowahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14628657533849686313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7137995317196460579.post-3357076955025473982011-07-06T20:54:59.713-07:002011-07-06T20:54:59.713-07:00@Miso I agree with your basic premise - however on...@Miso I agree with your basic premise - however one's mileage varies with how much two way transparency exists - In Australia, for instance, we are allowed to photograph public or private buildings (from public land) but cant take photos inside art galleries... and can photograph and publish photos of police doing their jobs (in public) but have no constitutional right to free speech. <br /><br />I also agree with @Aeonix - the choice of what to reveal should reside with the individual.<br /><br />Given that privacy and rights to privacy are not taught in schools as part of citizenship (something that wasn't taught till recently in Aussie schools - after all we all already knew what "citizenship" entailed by osmosis didn't we?) it is not surprising that there is so much misinformation about what is sensible or even actually NEEDED information to share for any given transaction. Without education and knowledge there is a wide open field for possible (and actual) abuse and no chance of accountability.<br /><br />(I think I make sense - hard to tell i need more coffee)qpophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04573225293661757037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7137995317196460579.post-5323830071349725112011-07-06T18:34:34.798-07:002011-07-06T18:34:34.798-07:00I completely agree, and before the world collapses...I completely agree, and before the world collapses into a black hole, let me explain. I'm completely for the right to privacy and anonymity should the person wish to keep it that way. I don't pretend to have a pretext of them hiding anything, and even if they were it's none of my business why they would be hiding anything, nor should I really care. That being said, I'm fairly open and transparent with my digital persona by choice, and I also know the implications behind doing so. In the end, it's about keeping the legitimate choice either for or against transparency, but that choice is always, and should remain, at the discretion of the person whose identity is in question, not third parties.Will Burnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14369186130470176679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7137995317196460579.post-35844328307800780092011-07-06T17:40:01.309-07:002011-07-06T17:40:01.309-07:00Great post Miso, yes it's a one-sided transpar...Great post Miso, yes it's a one-sided transparency.Scottiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02136480851910007108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7137995317196460579.post-41456756655461202702011-07-06T17:17:14.686-07:002011-07-06T17:17:14.686-07:00You know, "If you have nothing to hide, you h...You know, "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear." is actually an almost straight quote out of... George Orwell's "1984". A couple of decades ago, this was a typical statement used to bash right-wing extremists. Now we have Mark Zuckerberg and his "Privacy is Dead" policy.<br /><br />It's a scary world out there.Gwyneth Llewelynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03394790308025005462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7137995317196460579.post-62625654692007310502011-07-06T17:08:24.979-07:002011-07-06T17:08:24.979-07:00Brilliant! I could not agree more. We are able to ...Brilliant! I could not agree more. We are able to be far more anonymous in RL than we ever are online.Ceorlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04591116033984679005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7137995317196460579.post-50775585347204601592011-07-06T16:37:34.201-07:002011-07-06T16:37:34.201-07:00Yup! Yup! Yup!
I offer H.P. Gary, a security compa...Yup! Yup! Yup!<br />I offer H.P. Gary, a security company that "stepped in it".<br />Money and perceived "power" won't secure our stuff... I offer M. Zuckerberg and FailBook.<br /> Yeah...let me give any information to a site that can't secure it's creators info. NOT!<br />I refuse to even give a Starbucks employee my name for a triple grande latteBrindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01722102008502506117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7137995317196460579.post-76677338790679676442011-07-06T16:00:21.861-07:002011-07-06T16:00:21.861-07:00@Boudica: yes, I want to know who's behind the...@Boudica: yes, I want to know who's behind the glass! <br /><br />@Botgirl: ohhh, I'd have to post so many links; this is the meme now. I will try to organize such a list; I keep lots of bookmarks to such things.Miso Susanowahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14628657533849686313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7137995317196460579.post-60801178172605272102011-07-06T15:16:40.487-07:002011-07-06T15:16:40.487-07:00Hi Miso. Nice post!
I agree with the underlying i...Hi Miso. Nice post!<br /><br />I agree with the underlying idea that privacy should be controlled by the person, not the platform. That said, I don't know who's advocating the type of radical transparency you describe, outside of Zuckerberg. Can you post some links?Botgirl Questihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707252228872837054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7137995317196460579.post-5948793680073562902011-07-06T14:16:21.260-07:002011-07-06T14:16:21.260-07:00This one is a keeper for all time, and deserves a ...This one is a keeper for all time, and deserves a much wider audience than just this blog. But for now, let me just say two thumbs up. (Not jellied.)Jim Tarberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06972751348051683710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7137995317196460579.post-24570094910513247232011-07-06T14:06:18.844-07:002011-07-06T14:06:18.844-07:00Brilliant post, Miso!
Somewhere along the line, t...Brilliant post, Miso!<br /><br />Somewhere along the line, the "shopkeeps" discovered that their customers are their best commodity. And we the unsuspecting cattle led to the auction-house, bought and sold over and over again. Everyone's a customer, and everyone is a commodity and information is gold. But it's okay because "It's the internet", and "everyone else is doing it" so it must be safe.<br /><br />Delving into the intentions behind the masks of the people, techs, companies, agencies, hacks that we authorize and entrust our most personal data with = The stuff of nightmares. <br /><br />Do we really want to know who's behind the glass? <br /><br />It's okay you can tell me, I'm from the Internet...Boudica Destinyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04224775432564760234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7137995317196460579.post-2734725270288362622011-07-06T14:05:22.796-07:002011-07-06T14:05:22.796-07:00Our identity in RL is ambiguous. How do we *know* ...Our identity in RL is ambiguous. How do we *know* someone? Do we ever really know someone? One day we go out wearing one outfit. The next day we go out wearing something completely different. Our persona changes from one day to the next and for the event we are attending... Does this sound familiar? I could argue that a virtual identity is LESS ambiguous. Think of the avatar you know who has never changed their outfit or appearance. I know of a few.Wizzy Gynoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08835960741559366869noreply@blogger.com